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Tuesday, April 04, 2006

Biblical Grounds for Divorce

 What are valid reasons for divorce, according to the Bible?

Marital infidelity, of course.

Abuse?
-- Physical only, or verbal?

Any other reasons?
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Anyone out there on this?
Posted 4/5/2006 11:51 AM by Honorary_Jedi - reply

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ok yeah- i wanna get going on this one! ok. . .i believe that the ONLY grounds for divorce are a) marital unfaithfulness (i.e. if ur spouse is being unfaithful with another member of the opposite sex), or b) physical abuse, which in this case, i would encourge the person to run to the authorities.

ok, lets see where that little bit of info takes us. . .

en CHRISTOS,

rea

Posted 4/7/2006 1:01 PM by godsmusician16 - reply

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Not to be a pain in the arse on this one, especially since I'm just browsing the blogring, but where does the Bible (you did say BIBLICAL grounds) say that abuse is just cause for divorce?  Just wanted to be the voice of the other side of the argument. 
Posted 4/9/2006 4:57 PM by rdgardner - reply

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i knew that id get some crap about that- do u honestly think that GOD would want a woman to stand by and take the intense physical abuse from her husband?
Posted 4/10/2006 11:47 AM by godsmusician16 - reply

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Before taking a position, let me pose a question: Does the husband's abuse of his wife nullify the covenant his wife made to God (as well as to the husband) to remain with her husband until death part them?

Remember that Jesus says in Mark 10:11-12, Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.
Posted 4/10/2006 9:46 PM by por_la_cruz - reply

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Faithlessness or infidelity could be interpretted as breach of contract. In that case, there's a whole lot more grounds for divorce that would be "Biblical." However, I think the interpretation the makes the most sense in the context of Scripture is sexual infidelity only.

As for remarriage, which is related, only the death of the spouse allows for it. Divorce doesn't allow for remarriage Biblically. It's a sin to divorce and remarry.

What if you divorce and your ex-spouse dies? Perhaps someone else knows.

Posted 4/11/2006 7:55 PM by Pyro589 - reply

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but, for the safety of the woman, shouldnt be able to run away from her husband's physical abuse?? i mean, girls who haev abusive boyfriends are encouraged to leave them and seek help or report them to the police- shouldn't it be the same for marriage??
Posted 4/12/2006 4:02 PM by godsmusician16 - reply

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Sure. Report him. Have him locked up. I am 100% for that. But the covenant is still in place until death. That's one of the reasons you need to be so sure you know who it is you're getting yoked to for life before you make the vow.
Posted 4/12/2006 9:46 PM by por_la_cruz - reply

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Exactly!...what Scottie said.

Posted 4/13/2006 5:08 PM by Pyro589 - reply

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Actually, the original word there means sexual immorality.  Remember Joseph thought that he would "put [Mary] away privily"?  The original idea may have been just that.  You pay for a virgin, you should get a virgin. I honestly believe that it would honor God more if you stay with the person even though they were unfaithful.  That is the example God shows with His Bride. Maybe our hearts are too hard. 

On the other matter, I would stay married to an abusive man, but I would put him behind bars. 

Posted 4/22/2006 6:13 PM by rdgardner - reply

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you can get a divorce if you want to.... god wont judge you by your actions if hes such a nice guy like everyone says.... its not a sin anyways.... if you want out by all means GET OUT
Posted 4/23/2006 10:56 AM by MRxChow - reply

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divorce isn't bad, it's remarrige that's bad. if you are being abused then by all means divorce the guy, report him but divorce him. you can't marry again. the only instance that you can remarry is if they committed adultry before you divorced. BUT the bible says not to cause a brother to stumble, so if you divorce your abusive husband are you forcing him into adultry? food for thought.

Posted 4/24/2006 5:56 PM by esme_wolf - reply

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divorce isn't bad, it's remarrige that's bad.

I beg to differ. Marriage is a covenant made to your spouse before God that you will stay in that marital relationship until death. Divorce is the annihilation of that covenant. The only way you can possibly be justified in filing a divorce is if your spouse has already shattered the covenant -- i.e. infidelity.

Abuse is just that -- abuse of the situation, abuse of the relationship, abuse of the covenant. I don't see anything in Scripture to justify annulling the oath because of it, as horrible as it is. Take legal action against them, get them locked up for your protection and other people's, -- but the vow is still in effect, and will be until death.

That's why marriage should never be taken lightly.
Posted 4/24/2006 8:15 PM by por_la_cruz - reply

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Concerining divorce, the Pharisees kept the letter of the Law by giving the woman a divorce certificate. In those days, a jewish man could divorce his wife for as little reason as putting too much salt in his food (Barclay 1975, 153). Thus, a Pharisee could divorce a good woman and still claim that he had kept the letter of the Law because he had given her a certificate of divorce. Such action, however, was not in keeping with the spirit of the Law.

In Matthew 5:31-32 Jesus condemns this hypocrisy. He said that whoever divorces an innocent woman pushes her toward committing adultey. Where would she get food and shelter? Divorce put her in a position of having to mary again or , in many cases, become destitute. In cases of infidelity the injured party has the moral right to divorce and remarry. However, in other cases, divorce and remarriage can constitute adultery. This is still true today. Fortunately, women today have more of an ability to provide for themselces than they did in Christ's time. Therefore, divorce doesn't necessarily leave them economically devastated. Nevertheless, the lesson here is to avoid dicorce and seek reconciliation if at all possible. No one should divorce for selfish or frivolous reasons.

God  gave the Law to protect people, not to abuse them. No righteous person knowingly causes others to stumble. The spirit of the Law demands that the rights of marriage be protected (Matthew 19:1-12) and that people consider not only their wants but also what is best for others.

Posted 4/25/2006 1:34 PM by esme_wolf - reply

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Por, to dispute your argument.

Duteronomy 24:1- If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, 2 and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man, 3 and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies, 4 then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled.

Posted 4/25/2006 4:29 PM by esme_wolf - reply

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That passage, though, does not address the fact of the broken covenant. Its sole purpose is to state that, given the divorce-remarriage-divorce situation, the woman may not remarry the first husband after having a second. It says nothing at all about the propriety of divorce itself.
Posted 4/26/2006 7:01 AM by por_la_cruz - reply

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it says one is able to divorce a woman who is displeasing.

Posted 4/26/2006 10:10 AM by esme_wolf - reply

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No. It presupposes that one does. If a man marries a woman and writes her a certificate of divorce and she becomes the wife of another man, and her second husband divorces her, then she may not remarry the first man. Given this case -- appropriate or not -- this is the procedure.
Posted 4/26/2006 6:45 PM by por_la_cruz - reply

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yes, that's true, but in doing so it also states that a man can give a woman a certificate of divorce, and it doesn't say you would be sinning to do so, it says you would be sinning if after you gave her that certificate, she was with another man and then you married her again, the sin is in remarrying a now unclean woman not in the actual divorce.

If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house,

there is no sin in this part it is only in remarrige to a defiled woman.

Posted 4/26/2006 7:24 PM by esme_wolf - reply

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I'm not saying I believe in divorce, I think it only creates more problems, and I think you are right in that the only grounds for remarrige to any person after having a divorce is sexual impurity in the first marrige. However, a marrige that you end in a divorce that is not caused by sexual impurity means that you may not get married or have relations with another person without sinning.
Posted 4/26/2006 7:31 PM by esme_wolf - reply

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In other words, only divorces based on sexual infidelity "count"?
In which case, the divorce does not actually terminate the marital covenant, but merely acts as a legal "separator" for the two parties?

I don't think divorce is the word you're looking for here; according to the dictionary, it is "the legal dissolution of marriage by a court or other competent body". If the marriage is completely dissolved, there is nothing to hinder remarriage.
Posted 4/27/2006 11:25 AM by por_la_cruz - reply

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your right, legaly there is nothing to hinder remarriage, but biblically there is.
Posted 4/27/2006 4:26 PM by esme_wolf - reply

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sorry, to expound upon what i wrote, everything you said is true, a divorced based on anything but sexual impurity in a marriage is only a legal seperation, it does not break the covenant you made before God and it doesn't allow you to enter into another marriage righteously, in other words legaly you can be divorced on grounds other than marrital unfaithfulness, biblically a divorce for any other reason just doesn't exist, so technically the divorce isn't the sin (because it doesn't break the covenant made before and with God) only remarriage, which would acctually be adultry, is sin.(because having sex with a person who is not that first spouse is adultry)
Posted 4/27/2006 4:39 PM by esme_wolf - reply

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I'm glad we're beginning to understand each other. However, I think you're still missing something.
Divorce is, by definition, a dissolution of the marital covenant. In other words, it legally breaks the legal covenant of marriage. Whether or not God still considers them married is not the point. The fact that they do not is the point. The covenant is unjustifiably but legally broken. (By legal I mean according to the laws of the land, not necessarily God's Law.) Thus, by breaking their vow, they are sinning. Even if both go and live absolutely pure lives after that, even if neither one so much as sees another human, the covenant is still broken. It is not that they have fractured its rules. They have walked away from it. They no longer live in the loving, honoring relationship they promised to each other. The covenant is broken.
Posted 4/27/2006 10:15 PM by por_la_cruz - reply

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yes, i unerstand what you mean now, though by that argument you contradict yourself and the bible. when you say your vows, you say until death do we part not until death or unfaithfulness do we part thus, even after an affair has occured by the vows stated it wouldn't matter what happened in that marriage, you would still be breaking your vows and thus sinning. the bible says it's okay to get divorced if sexual impurity exists. thus by what you have stated one may never get divorced under any conditions, however, that goes against the bible.

Posted 4/29/2006 5:59 PM by esme_wolf - reply

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