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Friday, April 07, 2006

Vegetarianism

 The herbivorous question:

-- Should Christians be vegetarians?
-- May they?

Support your stance with Scripture!
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The question is, "Why would a Christian be a vegetarian?" Genesis 2:9 suggests that man was only to be a vegetarian, this was because the animals had souls. After the fall, however, it was permissible to eat animals, and strict vegetarianism was no longer necessary. In fact, God shunned the offering of the fruit of the earth.( Gen.4: 4-5)

Later in Genesis 9, the command. "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it" is referring to animals that are still alive. It does not prohibit meat eating.

I think Christian vegetarianism is more of a personal choice. I don't think it really matters.

Posted 4/7/2006 10:21 PM by Slingpaw - reply

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God shunned the offering of the fruit of the earth.( Gen.4: 4-5)
Though that really didn't have anything with the content of the offering (remember that in the Mosaic Law He institutes sacrifices of grain, bread, oil, wine, etc.).  The point in that instance was that Abel brought a sacrifice of the firstborn of his flocks, while Cain just brought an unimportant part of his produce.  Abel's sacrifice was made in faith, Cain's with doubt.  If you give away your firstfruits, you have no guarantee that there will be any more.  That's why our tithes are supposed to be the first 10% of our income.

But now I'm getting off-topic. 

Posted 4/8/2006 9:36 AM by por_la_cruz - reply

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Just to be clear, there is no actual record of man eating meat until after Noah got off the ark: Genesis 9:1-4.  Certainly, one may hold a diet of his choice, however: Col. 2:8-17; Romans 14:19-23.  It's your motivation that needs to be checked.  We don't want to offend a fellow believer over something that is not essential.
Posted 4/9/2006 5:56 PM by rdgardner - reply

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Right.
The problem is, some Christians think that vegetarianism is folly.  There are also some Christians who believe Christians are supposed to be vegetarians.
So -- must we?  May we?

Posted 4/9/2006 9:19 PM by por_la_cruz - reply

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ok- the only reason that we eat meat is because of "the fall"- it is a direct result of SIN. why would we want to do something that directly relates to SIN???

rea

Posted 4/10/2006 11:43 AM by godsmusician16 - reply

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Is it directly related to sin? Or is it more related to our dominion over Creation? After the flood, God told Noah,
And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. (Gen. 9:2-3, KJV)
Here we can see that 1) animals ONLY NOW began to fear humans -- not before, despite the fact that the Fall happened hundreds of years previous to this; 2) the animals are ONLY NOW "delivered into your hand" (i.e. given over to you) -- not at the Fall; 3) the animals are now "fair game" (excuse the pun) as much as the plants were originally. True, meat was not eaten before the fall, only afterward; but the permission was not given at the fall but hundreds of years later.
You might argue that the same applies here as to divorce (cf. Matt. 19:7-9), but recall that in that situation Jesus says it was "because of the hardness of your hearts," whereas in Noah's case he has, because of his unswerving devotion to God, been spared the disaster that befell the rest of mankind. Quite a difference!

However, despite my belief that there is nothing morally or Biblically wrong with eating meat, I have no problem at all with those who choose to be vegetarians. I respect their decision to avoid meat, and would not insist that they do. It doesn't have to be explicitly forbidden in the Bible before someone can decide that they would rather not do it.
Posted 4/10/2006 9:41 PM by por_la_cruz - reply

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but. . .was this god's ORIGINAL intent??
Posted 4/12/2006 4:01 PM by godsmusician16 - reply

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"the only reason that we eat meat is because of 'the fall'- it is a direct result of SIN. why would we want to do something that directly relates to SIN???"
If we follow this reasoning, we would never grow anything on farms. After man sinned, God said man must work for his food. Should we stop doing that just because it was not God's original intent?
Posted 4/13/2006 8:52 AM by Honorary_Jedi - reply

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Here's a question to think about:  Should vegetarians eat animal crackers?

Summer

Posted 4/14/2006 4:33 AM by summersnamsake - reply

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well since most are vegetarians because they love animals is pretty dumb,im a vegetarian because of how man kills animals now,its pure torure to something with a soul.as i actually follow many pagan laws believe all creatures on this planet are in some way equal.the native americans believed animals were basicly sacred since we were powerless without some sort of tool and they could do all of what they do with only what they were born with,there for in basic termology christians being vegetarian could kind of mean they are in some form pagan and that is condemned by christian law
Posted 4/17/2006 9:04 PM by little_big_fro - reply

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Just because pagans do something doesn't mean that it is pagan in and of itself. Pagans engaged (and engage) in warfare, so did (and so do) Christians. I don't think vegetarianism would be condemned by Christian law just because some pagans do it too.
Also, are you saying that to kill an animal tortures its soul? If that is true, then animals torture each other all the time.
Posted 4/20/2006 10:47 AM by Honorary_Jedi - reply

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Right.  After all, pagans drive cars, talk on cell phones, and blow their noses.  Does that mean all these things are pagan activities?
Posted 4/22/2006 7:27 AM by por_la_cruz - reply

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Daniel chose to be a vegetarian for a time.  God blessed him for this.  Paul encourages people to eat what they believe pleases God and demonstrates sensitivity toward one's fellow believer.  Yes, I believe we may be vegetarians.  I don't believe we "must" be vegetarians.  If you do, I recommend (as a nursing and nutrition student) that you add vitamin suplements to that.  Do what your faith allows.  Anything that is not "of faith" is sin.
Posted 4/22/2006 6:00 PM by rdgardner - reply

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Im cool with vegitarians. I dont see whats wrong with um. They are doing a good thing if anything.

(even though vegetarians have shorter lives than people who are omnivores..... -.-)

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also.... some people didnt like vegetarians then so..... ya... man (the writer of the bible).... but into the bible (which is mans interpretations of gods word).... that vegetarians are EVIL!!
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say that again?
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Found you through the bashing of my church...above. Anyways, besides that lame subject there is great discussion going on here in my opinion. I was a vegetarian for about 4 years. I am not any longer BTW. (but only out of respect for my brethren...I eat meat when it's more convenient...like if someone from church invites me over to eat, etc.) Regarding the comment above... carnivores have not been proven to live longer. I believe data shows the exact opposite of that statement. And as for needing supplements...this one kinda gets to me...the REASON why we need supplements in the first place is because so many people (Americans, in particular) do not eat raw vegetables daily. The nutrients that are put in a supplement are from....you guessed it....raw vegetables. Which have been almost removed from Americans diets. Why do you think we have so much disease? Anyways I think that scripture supports a 'mainly' plant-based diet. Obviously after the fall they ate meat. Personally, I think and definitely could be wrong, that even after the fall meat was eaten for more special occasions than everday events. They ate it at feasts and celebrations, etc. I think we just eat too much meat today, not to mention the quality of the meat we are currently eating. I don't think a Christian should be legalistic about this topic either way.

I could say more, but I'll spare you and stop rambling now. Hopefully I answered the question...but probably not...back to work.  :) 

Posted 4/27/2006 12:03 PM by De_Bo - reply

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Found you through the bashing of my church...above.
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I don't think a Christian should be legalistic about this topic either way.
Quite right. In fact, a Christian should not be legalistic about anything either way. Yes, we have God's law, and yes, we need to follow it, but more importantly we should be seeking to grow in Him. Nitpicking over the finer points of law is not a healthy exercise, and though good debate over subjects worth debating is stimulating (and fun), we should always be careful to glorify God in our discussion, rather than bashing brothers and sisters in Christ over the heads with our understanding of His Word. Good conversation involves both giving and taking.
Posted 4/27/2006 12:26 PM by por_la_cruz - reply

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Thank you for deleting it. Much appreciated.  :)
Posted 4/27/2006 2:14 PM by De_Bo - reply

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That's fine, whatever suits them.  I don't use a tracker so it's not one of the things that comes up for me.
Posted 4/28/2006 8:07 AM by mightymarce Xanga True Member - reply

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Sure they can if they choose to be I jsut hope as Christains we are educationg ourselves to find out waht is best for us. I personally like meat and eat it Daniel ate a vegetarian diet during NEbudkenzurs rluling but they alos ate really gross discuting meats like testicles and tongue and brains and gizzards live alll the organs as they were thought to be a prefered parts of the body to eat. I would have eaten a vegetaian diet too. With that said I think Christians should examine ther motives and educate themselves on why they are chosing to do something like being a vegatain. Any body want to knwo why vegitarnism is not that healthy check out good old jewish Dr.Mercola.com
Posted 5/23/2006 5:19 PM by shaqueattack - reply

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Firstly, Genesis 9:3-4 says this;

"3Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. 4But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it."(NIV)

I do believe that God did not want us to eat the meat with 'Life blood' still in it possibly for health reasons because I don't think it's ever been healthy for a person to drink blood or eat raw meat, so that rule must have been added for the sake of not poisoning yourself.

Verse three basically explains everything else. For me, at least.
It was later mentioned which animals weren't clean, but that could also have been because those animals may have been particularly hard to cook or, to eat them, one would have to exercise a lot of extra caution. I sure don't perfectly know the Will of God that well, so take it as you will.

Also, in Matthew 15:10-11 it says
"10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

However, nowadays there are many messy slaughter routines, and they appear to me unorganized sometimes, and I have to not think about how it's killed and what's been injected with, just so I can choke it down(this is the reason my cousin went vegetarian).

But all-in-all I don't think that God made it crystal clear anywhere that we should not eat meat. It's more of a personal decision. And if you're going to decide on whether or not to eat meat because you think it'd tie in well with Christianity, pick whatever you think would keep you healthier for your body, since it is God's temple. Both choices can be extremely healthy and very unhealthy, depending on how you do it.

Posted 6/5/2006 12:12 AM by shadyontheloose - reply

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I do believe that God did not want us to eat the meat with 'Life blood' still in it possibly for health reasons because I don't think it's ever been healthy for a person to drink blood or eat raw meat, so that rule must have been added for the sake of not poisoning yourself.
...It was later mentioned which animals weren't clean, but that could also have been because those animals may have been particularly hard to cook or, to eat them, one would have to exercise a lot of extra caution.


These are valid reasons, but the main reason God gave these instructions was to teach us purity.

He says numerous times in the Law (and I paraphrase), "You shall not eat the meat with the blood in it, because the blood is the life of the animal." Blood and other body fluids are symbolic of impurity, uncleanness, and death.

The clean/unclean animal laws were for the Jews only, as a constant reminder to them that they were to be separate, different; literally holy. God later annulled the clean/unclean meat laws (Acts 10:9-23).

Now, it is true that almost if not all of the laws regarding "cleanness" in the OT also have scientific health implications. But this was not their main purpose. The main purpose was to teach. Living more healthily as a result of following those rules was just an added benefit.
Posted 7/20/2006 6:54 PM by por_la_cruz - reply

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hey! okay, so anyway. . .i had a friend tell me recently that she thought that i was sinning by not eating meat. . .anyone want to comment on that?

btw- its great to be back, por la cruz- keep up the amazing job!

Posted 9/13/2006 3:33 PM by godsmusician16 - reply

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Blood and other body fluids are symbolic of impurity, uncleanness, and death.

I disagree with this statement. The Genesis 9:4 text clearly states that the blood is forbidden because the blood is the LIFE of the animal. And all life belongs to God. I would in fact say, on the basis of Scripture, that the blood is the symbol of LIFE, especially in re: Christ's sacrifice for us. This is why the blood is forbidden to us, because it is the life of the creature and the life belongs to God.
I am not a vegetarian, but I know there are theologians who make a case for it based on Scripture, positing that God made a concession after the Flood to humanity's incredible violence, but that creation in it's ideal state, would include humans as vegetarians. If anyone is interested I can find the name of the theologian I'm thinking of. It's an american woman, I think.
Posted 9/20/2006 6:25 AM by CherDC - reply


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